Comments on: While Rome Talks, Québec Has Already Been Lost http://adventus.org/en/benedictus/while-rome-talks-quebec-has-already-been-lost/ Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:52:05 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Neal Ford http://adventus.org/en/benedictus/while-rome-talks-quebec-has-already-been-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-12704 Neal Ford Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:55:06 +0000 http://adventus.org/en/benedictus/while-rome-talks-quebec-has-already-been-lost/#comment-12704 I think we are looking at a textbook case as to why JPII was so intent on keeping clergymen outside of partisan politics, and concentrating rather, on the renewal of the culture. While I don't think anyone wants to go back to the Duplessis/Lionel Groulx days, Its clear enough that the anti-clericalism and enforced secularization born of a misunderstand of the cncept of separation of church and state has not worked either, as Rachelle pointed out. The state shall neither establish a church, nor interfere with religious instruction. As for the abolition of confessional schols and the introdction or the mandatory world religions course allI can say is that I'm glad that here in Ontario we still have catholic schools where what a child learns at home is not contradicted at school. I think we are looking at a textbook case as to why JPII was so intent on keeping clergymen outside of partisan politics, and concentrating rather, on the renewal of the culture.
While I don’t think anyone wants to go back to the Duplessis/Lionel Groulx days, Its clear enough that the anti-clericalism and enforced secularization born of a misunderstand of the cncept of separation of church and state has not worked either, as Rachelle pointed out. The state shall neither establish a church, nor interfere with religious instruction.
As for the abolition of confessional schols and the introdction or the mandatory world religions course allI can say is that I’m glad that here in Ontario we still have catholic schools where what a child learns at home is not contradicted at school.

]]> By: Sue Adams http://adventus.org/en/benedictus/while-rome-talks-quebec-has-already-been-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-12514 Sue Adams Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:18:16 +0000 http://adventus.org/en/benedictus/while-rome-talks-quebec-has-already-been-lost/#comment-12514 Is the present secular world any less corrupt? Thx. Is the present secular world any less corrupt? Thx.

]]> By: Sue Adams http://adventus.org/en/benedictus/while-rome-talks-quebec-has-already-been-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-12513 Sue Adams Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:16:31 +0000 http://adventus.org/en/benedictus/while-rome-talks-quebec-has-already-been-lost/#comment-12513 I like very much your observations and education Rachelle. Thx. I like very much your observations and education Rachelle. Thx.

]]> By: Rachelle http://adventus.org/en/benedictus/while-rome-talks-quebec-has-already-been-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-12512 Rachelle Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:48:37 +0000 http://adventus.org/en/benedictus/while-rome-talks-quebec-has-already-been-lost/#comment-12512 That is the kind of unbalanced revisionist history taught in Quebec schools. I'm from a French Canadian family too, and find the record to be grossly skewed to the negative. Those religious kept our communities going and together. They provided health care in very clean hospitals, took care of orphans and the aged when nobody else had the means to do so, and educated children right across Canada. They played a major role in maintaining the French presence outside of Quebec, and provided schooling within a hostile-to-French environment, particularly in the Prairies. Sure you had "characters", but all in all they were selfless, dedicated people who embraced lives of toil and poverty for the rest of us. It's time we thanked them! Since the religious no longer play such a role in the leadership of our institutions and communities, things haven't gone better. We might live in more prosperous times, and maybe our material wealth makes us think we don't need God, but our suicide rate, particularly amongst the young has gone through the roof. Quebecers no longer have stable families. Some golden years, huh? That is the kind of unbalanced revisionist history taught in Quebec schools. I’m from a French Canadian family too, and find the record to be grossly skewed to the negative. Those religious kept our communities going and together. They provided health care in very clean hospitals, took care of orphans and the aged when nobody else had the means to do so, and educated children right across Canada. They played a major role in maintaining the French presence outside of Quebec, and provided schooling within a hostile-to-French environment, particularly in the Prairies. Sure you had “characters”, but all in all they were selfless, dedicated people who embraced lives of toil and poverty for the rest of us. It’s time we thanked them!

Since the religious no longer play such a role in the leadership of our institutions and communities, things haven’t gone better. We might live in more prosperous times, and maybe our material wealth makes us think we don’t need God, but our suicide rate, particularly amongst the young has gone through the roof. Quebecers no longer have stable families. Some golden years, huh?

]]> By: kittens.butterflies http://adventus.org/en/benedictus/while-rome-talks-quebec-has-already-been-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-12507 kittens.butterflies Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:38:14 +0000 http://adventus.org/en/benedictus/while-rome-talks-quebec-has-already-been-lost/#comment-12507 Quebec under a strong Catholic clergy was not a kind place, and we have many scandals specific to us to remind us of this fact. The Catholic Church itself, allied with Maurice Duplessis' conservative government, contributed more by its actions to laiticize Quebec society than any aspect of 'modern culture', and I am tired of hearing pre-Revolution Tranquille Quebec extolled as some kind of ideal society where justice and mercy reigned under the benevolent hand of the Church. Any French-Canadian family, including my own, can hand down stories of abuses of authority by Catholic clergy they personally experienced, meddling of the clergy in political life, and conspicuous absence of clerical voices denouncing inequality and injustice. If anything, Quebec's strong religious past teaches us that power corrupts. Is this really the sort of past the Catholic Church should be dwelling on as its golden years? You worry me. Quebec under a strong Catholic clergy was not a kind place, and we have many scandals specific to us to remind us of this fact. The Catholic Church itself, allied with Maurice Duplessis’ conservative government, contributed more by its actions to laiticize Quebec society than any aspect of ‘modern culture’, and I am tired of hearing pre-Revolution Tranquille Quebec extolled as some kind of ideal society where justice and mercy reigned under the benevolent hand of the Church. Any French-Canadian family, including my own, can hand down stories of abuses of authority by Catholic clergy they personally experienced, meddling of the clergy in political life, and conspicuous absence of clerical voices denouncing inequality and injustice. If anything, Quebec’s strong religious past teaches us that power corrupts.

Is this really the sort of past the Catholic Church should be dwelling on as its golden years? You worry me.

]]> By: jayd http://adventus.org/en/benedictus/while-rome-talks-quebec-has-already-been-lost/comment-page-1/#comment-12437 jayd Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:21:40 +0000 http://adventus.org/en/benedictus/while-rome-talks-quebec-has-already-been-lost/#comment-12437 A Stern Warning to Canada by A.M. Juster If you want peace, withdraw your geese. Read the above in First Things and thought of you all.... A Stern Warning to Canada
by A.M. Juster

If you want peace,
withdraw your geese.

Read the above in First Things and thought of you all….

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